Fun with Rowland
Rowland Croucher occasionally likes to hang out some bait... so today I decided to bite.
Rowland:
Biblical Literalists - like Creationists who interpret the Genesis stories in the Hebrew Bible literally - then move to a 'scientific' young earth rationale. Christian 'liberal' theologians start from 'rational scientific' presuppositions to doubting miracles, prayer, even the existence of God, etc. A plague on both their houses!
Andrew:
Those be fighting words, Rowland.
Rational presuppositions... from where else would I start? Blind prejudice? Wish fulfillment? What my kindy teacher said in Sunday School? My fear of death.... which would you choose?
Scientific presuppositions... would you start from a presupposition which rational science showed to be ridiculous? There is no point, or honesty, in claiming scientific support for something science is not qualified to comment upon. But to hold to something that peer reviewed science shows to be unsustainable in fact, is not faith-full... it's stupid, and if not naïve, then probably dishonest.
And if our best science challenges our doctrines? Well maybe we should show some existential courage instead of ducking off behind idols like "the historicity of biblical miracles, intercessory prayer, even the existence of God..." It's great to appeal to these ideals and memories of our history with stirring rhetoric, but if a god is only big enough to cope with our scientific discoveries by denial of what is obvious, it's a god not worth having.
Theology, if it is any use and not a mere panadol for our fear of existence, needs to start with where we are and what we know. What we know is incontrovertibly linked with scientific ideas and presuppositions. These ideas have their limits, but until you stop trusting bridges to get you over rivers, and stop using the internet, don't suggest we can ignore them in theology. I will not deny reality for the sake of your God.
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